New Tv !

[akak]

Now now Suave, let's not forget that Panasonic still makes the best TVs available right now and that every year's new sets show performance improvements over the previous year's models.

Let's not also forget that Kuro technology was expensive to implement and that Pioneer made essentially a niche product that could not survive the economic downturn of 2008-09. Should Panasonic be throwing resources at a product that would assuredly be a money loser (especially if it meant having to retool its factories to adapt to a radically different panel than what Panasonic is currently making), or try to raise the performance of its premium, yet still affordable, TVs?

[Suave]

I agree perfectly with everything that you're saying akak. My passion for Pioneer TVs might have influenced some of the statements in my last post

I suppose that fact is that Panasonic is being careful with how (or if) to start implementing any of the KURO tech into their sets because they don't want to go down the same path as Pioneer. Retooling even one of its factories to produce KURO-like panels would probably be a great financial investment and it's questionable whether it would ever pay itself off.

And then there's the whole 3D thing. I think that Panasonic has decided to focus on this in the last couple of generations, rather than radically improving its 2D performance, because 3D has the potential to sell more sets. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the future.

[Mike Osadciw]

I doubt it'll even happen. Plasma will stay as is for another 4-5 years until a replacement technology - one that betters the KURO - becomes available.

[akak]

Question for Mike: What do you think that technology will be? SED and O-LED, the two most promising technologies that we know about, have fizzled out, and LCD is probably a mature technology by now, meaning that it will never top plasma.

[Mike Osadciw]

honestly - I have no idea. People in the industry say certain things, but the release schedule (or lack of one) has said otherwise over the past many years. We'd like to see if SED and OLED ever makes it to the market. A majority of us only know it in theory...and few have seen working devices over 11 inches...I haven't seen one ever. I'm not sure if we will ever see any of these technologies. Plasma and LCD are disposible items...cost erosion has been horrendeous in terms of a retailer-profit margin situation...and they've put all but the biggest service centers out of business (cost of repair higher than cost of replacement of a new better product). So I think they've got a few years left on these devices...whatever comes next must be significantly better...and a good chance we'll see it claiming 2160p resolution rather than 1080p (whether it actually displays 2160p is a different story, but it will accept it.) I would also hope for inputting and displaying a greater bit depth over the current 8 and 10 (differing from just processing at a greater bit depth). ...ok, I should put in there capability of displaying DCI colour gamut in hopes software will be offered better than the current 1080p/8-bit/Rec.709.

[Clodio4]

Concerning the link previously posted and not working......well for some reasons it's not working for me too ??? By the way...as soon as the Samsung PN51D8000 will be in store....I'm buying one....Final decision!!! Better design, with a very good reputation and they're cheaper compared to Panasonic VT-30. I can't wait !!!!

[Mike Osadciw]

ok! can't wait to hear how you like it!

[Suave]

By the way...as soon as the Samsung PN51D8000 will be in store....I'm buying one....Final decision!!!

In that case, you should read the picture quality I just posted about the PN59D8000... they should help to reinforce your decision!

http://canadahifi.com/forum/showthre...=3131#post3131

[Clodio4]

Thanks for reinforcing my decision Suave ! Now I can imagine the image quality with ISF calibration.
Claude

[Suave]

The ISF calibration is well worth the price Claude (especially from a guy like Mike who takes the time to explain everything to you, in as much detail as you wish). Once you get your TV calibrated its hard to go back

I'll be posting a complete review of this TV later this week in the thread mentioned above.